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clauclauclaudia ([personal profile] clauclauclaudia) wrote2010-09-27 03:08 pm
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okay, without looking it up...

Does this usage of eponymous seem okay to you or not? Why?

[blah blah Chekhov on film] "Based on his eponymous 1891 novella, THE DUEL gives life to a classic Chekhovian tale...."


All right. Look it up if you want to, but let me know if you do.

I'm screening comments for a bit to get independent answers, but I'll unscreen them soonish. [Edit: slow unscreening now complete.]

[identity profile] kjc.livejournal.com 2010-09-27 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No, cuz eponymous means something like "the same name of" so in this context, the novella would've had to have been named Chekhov.

There's a difference between "the same name of" and "having the same name as" and it's subtle, but definitely not working the way the sentence is currently worded.
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[personal profile] zdenka 2010-09-27 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
No. I think it should say "Based on his 1891 novella of the same name". Unless there is a character named The Duel. ;-)

I would accept a usage such as, "In Alexandre Dumas's novel The Count of Monte Cristo, the eponymous hero believes his revenge is ordained by Providence."

[identity profile] sarcasma.livejournal.com 2010-09-27 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. :)

As soon as I read it I had an editing flashback. I know I have a lot of usage ticks, so I look things up CONSTANTLY. Fortunately, I'm aware of most of them, or at least, some part of my brain that is highly instinctive but also deeply versed in proper usage shouts WAIT NO LOOK OUT DANGER and I go get the books.

I admit to being surprised at how many of your readers immediately thought "What no WRONG" but I posit that your readers != average cross-section of random readers. So, the lesson is also "know your audience." :D

[identity profile] emmacrew.livejournal.com 2010-09-27 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

[identity profile] jbsegal.livejournal.com 2010-09-27 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
No. If the novella was titled 'Chekhov's Duel' or similar, maybe.

'Chekhovian tale' is valid, sure, but not the novella.
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[personal profile] zdenka 2010-09-27 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
What, just 'cuz I know what an eponym actually is . . . ?

Here, have an icon of another eponymous character.
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[personal profile] dot_fennel 2010-09-27 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
To expand: I googled [["based on * eponymous"]] and was like, whoa, millions of hits? But on looking at them, I realized it was, broadly speaking, a usage I see all the time, and don't remember ever looking twice at before.

The factors I mentioned *seem* to be what separate good sentences from bad in my head, but whether those guesses are right or not, it's pretty clear that the rule I pedantically want to insist on is not the rule I usually actually apply when reading.

So that's interesting!

Also, it occurs to me that changing the order would normally make it a lot harder for a writer to use "his" instead of "the". I think you'd have to find some way to stick the writer's name between the title and the pronoun, like

"THE DUEL is one of Chekhov's finest cinematic moments, based on his eponymous 1891 novella..."

I mean, even then I don't like it much stylistically, but I'm much less sure I've even run into it in the wild.

[identity profile] eefster.livejournal.com 2010-09-28 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Though I've already seen the correct answer at this point, this was the reaction I had, too.

Re: pretty close

[identity profile] bikergeek.livejournal.com 2010-09-28 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting. I am now edified. :-)

[identity profile] lil-brown-bat.livejournal.com 2010-09-28 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd say no, for two reasons. One is that I always think of "eponymous" as referring to things that are very different from their namesake (example: Frankfurt (a city) is the eponym of frankfurter (a food)). A film and a book are the same thing in different media. Also, the usage is bizarre: "Based on his eponymous 1891 novel" makes it almost sound as if the novel (the antecedent) was somehow planned to have a namesake ("gee, I think I'll write an eponymous novel!"), whereas of course anything is only eponymous after the fact. I'd say it's a case of strained diction from someone who likes the word and forced a fit where "the novel of the same name" would probably have worked better.

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